Comments on: Great Swing! Lesson Learned – Mushin Still The Way http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/ Rotary Golf Instruction, PGA Tour Swings, Golf Equipment Reviews Wed, 23 Jun 2010 01:09:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Dean Mitchell(Swing_King) http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-34076 Dean Mitchell(Swing_King) Sun, 17 May 2009 08:55:44 +0000 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/?p=313#comment-34076 Chuck, I love this blog. Like you and many others I've tried focusing on the outcome/target and focusing on the process and found if I'm completely aware of my swing as a whole entity, that is totally With it, the outcome takes care of itself. I've found if I focus on the target I tend to sway towards the target in my swing. It's almost as if my mind wants to be at the target rather than here and now. Chuck,
I love this blog. Like you and many others I’ve tried focusing on the outcome/target and focusing on the process and found if I’m completely aware of my swing as a whole entity, that is totally With it, the outcome takes care of itself. I’ve found if I focus on the target I tend to sway towards the target in my swing. It’s almost as if my mind wants to be at the target rather than here and now.

]]> By: secondary http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-33927 secondary Tue, 12 May 2009 21:24:18 +0000 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/?p=313#comment-33927 I follow. Sort of like an earlier blog entry where you hit a perfect shot. It wasn't the shot's final postion, but the fact that your process went exactly as you envisioned. This makes sense, but it is a very far off target for someone like me who is just trying to get to the 70's with regularity. It is good to have goals though. I just keep telling myself there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Like my kids will leave me alone someday! Might be 15years away, but there is a light! Thanks for the insight Chuck. I follow. Sort of like an earlier blog entry where you hit a perfect shot. It wasn’t the shot’s final postion, but the fact that your process went exactly as you envisioned. This makes sense, but it is a very far off target for someone like me who is just trying to get to the 70’s with regularity. It is good to have goals though. I just keep telling myself there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Like my kids will leave me alone someday! Might be 15years away, but there is a light! Thanks for the insight Chuck.

]]> By: Chuck Quinton http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-33914 Chuck Quinton Tue, 12 May 2009 15:43:16 +0000 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/?p=313#comment-33914 Jeff, the process may vary from player to player, but those learning the RST move will likely have similar thoughts to what you listed. For me, I'm past the point of having to think about those specific things as they are now grooved because I've paid my dues and done my reps. I have different feelings that are part of my process, but more specifically what I'm referring to here is the process of the movement rather than the result of the shot. No matter what your "thoughts or feelings" may be, the disconnect happens when we get on the course where there are consequences and specific targets vs. the range where there are no consequences and the targets are less important, so you focus more on what you are trying to accomplish with your swing and less on where the ball goes. Jeff, the process may vary from player to player, but those learning the RST move will likely have similar thoughts to what you listed. For me, I’m past the point of having to think about those specific things as they are now grooved because I’ve paid my dues and done my reps. I have different feelings that are part of my process, but more specifically what I’m referring to here is the process of the movement rather than the result of the shot. No matter what your “thoughts or feelings” may be, the disconnect happens when we get on the course where there are consequences and specific targets vs. the range where there are no consequences and the targets are less important, so you focus more on what you are trying to accomplish with your swing and less on where the ball goes.

]]> By: rayvil01 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-33892 rayvil01 Tue, 12 May 2009 01:40:06 +0000 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/?p=313#comment-33892 Secondary, We've done it. Looking at the hole is just like putting with his eyes closed: Awesome stroke. Amazing. But, he won't do it on the course. I read a similar story in Pia Nielsen's book. They had some guy putting lights-out with his eyes closed. But, his wife threw a fit saying he looked stupid doing that and so he went back to struggling. Hard to understand. But, the bigger point is that if I keep his head out his body's way, he can roll the rock. It's all about process. Secondary,
We’ve done it. Looking at the hole is just like putting with his eyes closed: Awesome stroke. Amazing. But, he won’t do it on the course. I read a similar story in Pia Nielsen’s book. They had some guy putting lights-out with his eyes closed. But, his wife threw a fit saying he looked stupid doing that and so he went back to struggling. Hard to understand. But, the bigger point is that if I keep his head out his body’s way, he can roll the rock. It’s all about process.

]]> By: secondary http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-33891 secondary Tue, 12 May 2009 01:32:00 +0000 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/?p=313#comment-33891 Ray, Why not have him just look at the hole while putting? I know you would have thought of it, but just thowing it out there. Chuck, Are you talking about the actual feelings associated with the moves, i.e. "glide the scap, now settle onto heel, now"..just example. I am trying to understand what you mean exactly by the process. I am trying to come up with some swing triggers, and those sort of thoughts kind of worked the other day. I didn't play real well, but I hit a bunch of greens and had a real short compact swing only thinking of "half swing" How I get to half swing seems to be key, that is why I ask the question about process. Ray,
Why not have him just look at the hole while putting? I know you would have thought of it, but just thowing it out there.
Chuck,
Are you talking about the actual feelings associated with the moves, i.e. “glide the scap, now settle onto heel, now”..just example. I am trying to understand what you mean exactly by the process. I am trying to come up with some swing triggers, and those sort of thoughts kind of worked the other day. I didn’t play real well, but I hit a bunch of greens and had a real short compact swing only thinking of “half swing” How I get to half swing seems to be key, that is why I ask the question about process.

]]> By: rayvil01 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/index.php/05/10/great-swing-lesson-learned-mushin-still-the-way/comment-page-1/#comment-33890 rayvil01 Tue, 12 May 2009 01:04:42 +0000 http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/golfblog/?p=313#comment-33890 This business of results vs process is very much on display with my putting student. We played a round the other day. He had regressed so badly I couldn't believe it. His head was moving rotating to the target with the putter-head. And, he was horsing the putter around something awful. It wasn't Charles Barkley-bad. But, it was in that neighborhood. After the round, we went over the putting green. I told him to close his eyes and putt the ball. It was so good a stroke it was scary. As good as anything you'll ever see on Tour. Honest. And, he can hole it from anywhere like that with his eyes closed. "Dude, I can fix all your putting problems with three words: 'Close your eyes.'" He won't do it. It must be a manhood issue. But, the experience allowed me to maybe crack the armor plate: "Dude, your body knows what to do. Trust it. Get out of the way." He had been following the putter head back with his eyes. If there's a bigger Death Move for putting, I don't know what it is. "Why were you doing that?" He was afraid that he was pulling the putter inside, which would make him miss, and was going to make sure he didn't do that. I put a dot on the ball just past the end of his alignment line. "If you have to look, look at that dot and that dot only." After an hour we went out and played nine more holes. 13-putts. Better than that was how good those strokes were. He did a great job. Process vs Results is a very real thing. This business of results vs process is very much on display with my putting student. We played a round the other day. He had regressed so badly I couldn’t believe it. His head was moving rotating to the target with the putter-head. And, he was horsing the putter around something awful. It wasn’t Charles Barkley-bad. But, it was in that neighborhood.

After the round, we went over the putting green. I told him to close his eyes and putt the ball. It was so good a stroke it was scary. As good as anything you’ll ever see on Tour. Honest. And, he can hole it from anywhere like that with his eyes closed. “Dude, I can fix all your putting problems with three words: ‘Close your eyes.’” He won’t do it. It must be a manhood issue. But, the experience allowed me to maybe crack the armor plate: “Dude, your body knows what to do. Trust it. Get out of the way.”

He had been following the putter head back with his eyes. If there’s a bigger Death Move for putting, I don’t know what it is. “Why were you doing that?” He was afraid that he was pulling the putter inside, which would make him miss, and was going to make sure he didn’t do that.

I put a dot on the ball just past the end of his alignment line. “If you have to look, look at that dot and that dot only.” After an hour we went out and played nine more holes. 13-putts. Better than that was how good those strokes were. He did a great job. Process vs Results is a very real thing.

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